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Bill Sepe:
The Poughkeepsie Bridge Project

An interview by Rod MacIver

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From the back of Bill Sepe's house you can see one end of a 1.3 mile railroad bridge over the Hudson River. It was abandoned twenty years ago. In 1991, Bill began to wonder about turning it into a 35' wide walkway and he approached Government Officials. They appeared interested but nothing happened. Someone started the permitting process to demolish the bridge for salvage, and so Bill formed a group to save the structure. Now, on Saturdays and some weekdays in good weather, volunteers form work crews. So far, they have constructed a walkway that goes a thousand feet out onto the bridge, and a viewing platform.


Bill earns his living as a handyman, and then spends another 40 hours or so a week on working the bridge. I asked him why he took the project on. "Why does somebody pick up litter? I don't know. I walk out of my car from a parking lot into a building, and if there is a candy wrapper there, sometimes I pick it up and sometimes I don't. This is just a big piece of litter. Also, the first time I walked on the bridge, I knew it was doable. And the bridge is an unique experience. You experience the beauty of the mighty Hudson River and the majestic views at your own pace. Without intrusions.


"This project is bigger than me, bigger than my limitations. It has taught me a lot about human potential. For me, it is very much about personal growth. The whole project is constantly on a razor's edge. It operates on belief and not everybody can believe. That can hinder my interactions. When I get angry or upset because someone can't see what I see, it shows my shortcomings. My impatience gets in the way of their learning.


"At the same time, this project has helped me see that I am more of a person than I have shown. This might be my one chance to contribute something of significance. By taking what may look like the riskier choice, I am actually taking the more living choice. The chance make a pass at life. The choice to live, as opposed to be safe. I am finding that has great rewards. A lot of what we are afraid of is a myth. I am glad I choose the way I do. Most of the time....


"The other part is honesty. I find that when I am truthful and honest, I get truth and honesty back. And trust. Sometimes when I am dealing with lawyers and corporate people, I lose touch with that. To me, our greatest asset is the truth. When we have had problems, they inevitably are related to not having the truth known by enough people.


"Our local utility owns the only relatively flat approach to the bridge, and for a long time, we have been dealing with them to get access. (Since then, someone donated the use of a backhoe, and created another access.) In the beginning the utility told us if we got any media attention, it would slow negotiations down. So we didn't tell the media anything. The media had been our best ally, but we turned everything off. For three months, nobody heard anything from us, and we got nothing out of the utility. I thought about that long and hard. There were some obvious reasons they didn't want anything in the press. They would look stupid and they know they would look stupid. The lack of communication was dragging the project to a halt. I decided that even if it was detrimental to us, I would still tell the press everything, just like I used to. So we're again sending out press releases regularly."


Eventually, it should be the longest pedestrian/bicycle walkway over water in the world, which is just the beginning of the possibilities, as Bill sees them. "Perhaps someday the project will include a museum and educational center. Perhaps we will build a second walkway underneath, inside the bridge itself, so that people can see the engineering -- the girders, the rivets -- and the chipped paint. Someday there might be an underwater room so that we can see the river through a piece of glass. Maybe view the spring shad run.


"To achieve these things, the project depends on a wide base of volunteers and support and participation. We could try to get some tax dollars, but since the beginning, the project has been about giving. Not giving in order to get, but just giving. So often in today's life, people give in order to get a benefit back. Every degradation of our quality of life has happened because we haven't participated. We've allowed other people, whether they are professionals or officials or corporations or government, do things for us. I've discovered that we don't need public funding if we don't have a timetable. The bridge is developing at the natural pace detirmined by community support. If two hundred thousand people own a chunk of it, that would constitute long term protection for the bridge."


The group has raised and spent over a hundred thousand dollars so far and has acquired a tax deed covering about a thousand feet of the bridge. The rest of the ownership is unknown. The last recorded owner says he no longer owns it and refers inquiries to a lawyer who refuses to comment further. There are $75 million in Coast Guard fines against the structure, plus acrued property taxes. Bill explains, "Several times since we started on the project, we've had to make a decision to forge ahead or forget the whole thing. Ownership was one of those issues. If we were going to stay with the project, we had to go ahead as if we owned it. When I told the board we were going ahead, one of the directors said, `Well, that is your opinion.' I responded, `You can bring up a resolution to choose a different course if you wish.' Nobody did.


"If the issue came before the board, we would have had interminable discussions over liability and the thousand things that could go wrong. Originally, the bridge included a strip of land ninety feet wide and fifteen miles long. That land was foreclosed for thirty thousand dollars in unpaid taxes. If no one came forward to claim that land, which was much more valuable, at a much smaller price than the bridge itself, no one is likely to lay claim to the bridge. For the same reason, we really don't want ownership. It is not like every layer of government is our friend. In fact, one day, the Board of the Town of Lloyd voted to sell us some land bordering the bridge and the next day they sued us -- we had layed planking without a permit.


"Before getting involved in the bridge, I didn't realize how big the difference is between someone who has been an employee all their life, and someone who has run a business. Most employees are afraid of liability -- and yet this project is very much about liability. Some real, but mostly imagined. This has really struck home as I've worked with various board members. When I was an employee, eight or nine years ago, I was accountable to somebody else. Like most employees, I believed that I was limited by some authority somewhere. Entrepreneurs work to create their own rights, their own existence. They have no right to a market. It is mostly a self-assertion exercise. For twenty years intelligent people said nothing could be done the bridge. They may be intelligent, but they were also scared. We are scared too -- but still we've gone ahead. That's a big difference."


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