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Matthew Lee
and The Community on the Move

An interview by Rod MacIver

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One sweltering day last summer, after months of trying, I finally met Matthew Lee. His office is in a dilapidated store front on a back street in the South Bronx. He was working at a small laptop computer, surrounded by piles of court filings and back issues of the paper he has helped put out: Inner City Press. Chairs were scattered around the room. An old fan whirred in the corner. On the wall is a sign in bold yellow letters: `We the poor have a right to opportunity. Community On The Move.' Although there were a few desks in the office, he was alone that afternoon. Every few minutes the phone would ring, answered by a machine message that leaves the clear impression an insurrection is afoot.


Before meeting Matthew, I read Inner City Press. It is about taking over abandoned buildings, of which there are hundreds in the South Bronx and Harlem, and fixing them up for and by the homeless. There are stories of factories, potential and existing, that pollute the inner city: pesticide manufacturers and newsprint de-inkers. The newspaper explores corruption -- judges, police, city relief agencies and school boards. One story explored the cover-up of the murder of Lillian DeJesus, an accountant who was shot in the back of the head during her investigation into financial irregularities at PROMESA, a city-run drug treatment center. Other stories investigate the relationships between the financial backers of inner city politicians and the housing authorities. Many benefit from the status quo in the inner city.


Matthew Lee is about thirty years old. He has that rare energy one sometimes encounters among young entrepreneurs and revolutionaries. I asked him how he got into this work: "I had been going to college for a couple of years. It seemed abstract. I had heard about The Catholic Worker in Boston so I started going to talks and then going down three mornings a week to help with their soup lines. I got more and more involved. It is a place of good energy and friendship where the homeless are welcomed in a non-judgmental way. When I decided to leave school and leave Boston, I contacted the Catholic Worker in New York City. That was 1985.


"Working and living with The Catholic Worker in New York was my turning point. You don't get paid there, but you get fed and you get a place to sleep. In addition to running a soup line, they put out a monthly publication on social justice. I was there for two years, living in a room with twenty cots. After a while, the lack of privacy got to me, but I had and have a lot of respect for the people there. (Heron Dance will profile the work of Dorothy Day and The Catholic Worker in a future issue.)


"When I left The Catholic Worker in 1987 I had no money, so I became a homesteader. We needed a place to live and buildings were sitting empty. Myself and two other people repaired and made livable some space in an abandoned building on the Lower East Side. Many buildings there and in other inner city neighborhoods sit vacant for years until they burn down and the City demolishes them.


"For the first week we hauled rubble and garbage out. Then we installed doors. It still had electricity. We put in PVC pipes for plumbing. At the same time, I was working day labor jobs in Brooklyn and the Bronx and writing for The Catholic Worker. About then also, a couple of other people and myself had the idea of starting Inner City Press. We wanted to explore why, despite a tremendous need for housing, and many abandoned buildings, no homesteading was going on. We wanted to let people know what they could do -- propose an alternative to: `We are in the street, the City should provide for us.' We put out a thousand copies on a mimeograph machine, and distributed it in the Bronx and Brooklyn. We had thought people would read it and act -- it contained a lot of `how-to' information. Instead, people wrote in from the shelters asking for more information and advice. That led to a meeting. Forty people showed up, twenty or thirty of whom were serious and wanted to work together. They wanted Inner City Press to help them organize, which we did. A steering committee was created and we scouted out buildings.


"In front of a park, we found a twenty-unit building that had been abandoned for ten years. The City had no plans for it. It had been just left -- not even sealed up. We began cleaning it out. We went to the local community board to get building and occupancy permits. It became clear that the process would take years. By that time, the building would probably have burned down and been demolished. So we kept working.


"It took us about nine months to clean the building out and install windows so that we could work in the winter. We had planned to wait until we had the permits before moving in, but our tools and things kept getting stolen, so we had to do something. Two people who were living in the shelter moved in as security guards.


"About that time, the City announced that they wanted the building. They said they wanted to fix it up. It was ridiculous. We were surrounded by two hundred other abandoned buildings, and they decide this is the one they want to work on. We had a stand-off. The police came with a construction crew. They were going to rip down all our work. As it turned out, we were fortunate that two people had been living there for six months. The captain of the precinct showed up and said, `If you take me inside, and I am convinced that people have lived there more than thirty days, we'll call off the dogs. We'll take you to court and evict you -- we won't just throw you out.'


"So we took him in. He saw someone's cot, his cat, his cat food, his newspapers. It was obvious someone was living there, so they called off the dogs. Then we tried to convince the City that what they were doing didn't make any sense -- that we were doing something positive for the neighborhood. The City took us to court. Our legal aid lawyers put up a great defense and won. It never actually got to the merits. We won on points of order -- the city didn't serve the papers properly. Meanwhile, our newspaper was growing and people were seeing the progress on the building. More and more people that were living doubled up and homeless wanted us to help them homestead too.


"We didn't encourage them because we were not sure how things would work out with the City. Homeless people don't have much to lose, though. They started working with the existing group on Saturdays, then a group of thirty-six people started on the building next door. Then more people joined. We got lists of all the City-owned vacant buildings. Before long, the group was fixing fourteen buildings -- big buildings. People worked four Saturdays on one building and then we would go to the next one.


"About that time, something clicked in the City's mind. This is now in 1990 and `91. Rather than take us to court and lose, they decided -- without inspecting the buildings -- to declare them unsafe. They sent six bus loads of riot police to the first two buildings we had renovated. Our legal aid lawyer raced to court and won an injunction. The city appealed and got an automatic stay of the injunction -- a power given to the City on the assumption that the City won't abuse it. The City was able to remove these mostly Hispanic families. Immigrants. Peaceful. The riot police had helmets and rifles. The injustice of those riot police woke up something in me. It fueled a lot of work I have done since then.


"They evicted us from two more buildings, and then we fought them to a standstill. The City developed a plan to knock down buildings and replace each one with two private homes. To buy these homes, you had to prove you had an income of $46,000 a year. The median income in the South Bronx is $11,000. The median income of the people who were working on these buildings was $7,000. People work, but they are gypsy cab drivers, street vendors. We are not against development -- we recognize that these houses are improvements -- but other programs are also needed for lower income people.


"The newspaper changed. It became more sharp-edged. It had to. The City embraces programs like Hale House, but anything that is not part of the system, they want to crush. It is a conflict over power and resources. The City owns most of the buildings in the South Bronx. The source of their power is buildings that can be disposed of to developers. The fact that you are fixing up neighborhoods doesn't matter -- they want to destroy anyone who challenges their power. But we weren't going to go away. Out of the fourteen homesteaded buildings that they wanted knocked down, they ended up knocking down three and the City offered the people in the three buildings other apartments.


"We wondered if we should go along with this. It was the middle of winter and there were a number of children involved. We decided it was no loss of face. I mean, people did this work because they needed housing -- not to make a political statement. Thank God, no one was hurt during the eviction, and people who had no housing ended up with housing. Meanwhile, we were fighting back in court and holding rallies in City Hall Park. They started to see that they were not going to get rid of us. We offered to negotiate a solution, suggesting that the City create a legal homesteading program. They had one a few years ago, but people were only allowed to work in the buildings for four hours once a week. It took years and years to renovate a building -- impractical for a family that is homeless. A building can be repaired to a level of sufficient safety and hygiene in four or five months, which is doable even for someone in the shelter system. Five years is different. So our group continued -- now about two hundred families live in these buildings. One building has been occupied for six years. Each family has a Conn-Edison meter, all the plumbing is in, people have installed sprinklers. It has come a long way. During this time, the City has stopped trying to evict us. We are in a weird grey zone. We would like them to try to evict us or to work with us to develop a solution. Instead they ignore us.


"While all of this is going on, we began to wonder, `How did these buildings get abandoned? Why is the City the only game in town?' People may be poor, but they are making some money. Why can't they get a small loan to do something? We started looking at banking in our neighborhoods. Every once in a while you find a law that they forgot to amend. We found a law called the `Community Re-Investment Act.'


"This law, which has been on the books since 1977, says that banks must try to meet the credit needs of the entire community, including low and moderate income people. They can't just take deposits from inner-city areas and not make loans. In fact, many banks do. They define their communities however they want. The law provides that a bank's record has to be considered when it applies to merge with another bank or expand. Citizens can comment, and if their comment is well-documented, multi-billion dollar mergers or expansions can be stopped. If a bank addresses the issue, then the comment is removed.


"We wrote to the twenty banks in New York and asked them to send us their statement and their mortgage lending data, both of which were public. You don't have to be sophisticated to read the mortgage lending data. You get a census track map. It becomes clear: `You lend a lot here, and nothing there. Your lending falls entirely along racial lines. It is unfair. ' Bank after bank didn't even include the South Bronx in their community. Since 1977 they had been closing branches here down, and taking the position that they had no further obligation to these areas. Whole neighborhoods were excluded from that part of the economy that runs on checks and credit.


"There are credit-worthy people in the South Bronx, but there are stretches of forty blocks without branches. In Manhattan there are banks on every corner. A lot of people here don't have cars. People wait in long lines to pay phone bills. We are not asking the banks to fly over the South Bronx and throw money out of a helicopter. We are saying, `There are hardworking people here and legitimate loans to be made. Market your products and lend to credit-worthy people.


"The first bank we challenged was The Bank of New York. That was 1992. They included as their community Manhattan -- up to 96th Street, left off Harlem, East Harlem, Washington Heights, all of the Bronx. They picked up again in Westchester. They said that they just happened not to have any branches in those areas. We said, `This is an outrage. A forty billion dollar bank, playing hopscotch over the lowest income areas.' They said that they thought it was legal. We filed our comments. We documented the credit needs. We quoted the law. Right before the regulators were going to take action, the bank announced that they were changing their maps to include Harlem and the South Bronx.


"Then we approached five other banks. They said they would consider our points but nothing happened. That was 1994 and we had a kind of lull in our homesteading. The city wasn't attacking. It seemed like a good time to address the issue. We filed comments against all the banks that were telling us to wait. Immediately after we filed the comments, senior people in those banks wanted to sit down and talk.


"One of the first things they proposed was buying us off. They said, `We don't really lend in the South Bronx, but we would like to work with community groups there. What could we do with your group? Maybe we could support a homesteading project.' I respect the people in our group -- they voted on it. They didn't go for it. As it turned out, by taking the principled decision, we gained the power to deal with other banks. Somehow the word got around. Next the banks said, `We won't admit we violated any regulations or did anything wrong in the past, but we will include your areas.'


"In 1994, Dime Savings and Anchor Savings were merging. Somehow both institutions had overlooked the Bronx in their lending programs. Their only response to our comment was: `We stand on our record.' Then the regulators said that they found our comments to be substantial and were going to have a hearing. We got all the papers ready but two days before the hearing the bank called and said they wanted to talk. We were tempted to decline. It was an open and shut case. We were ready to roll -- we had maps, we had slides -- but we met with the heads of both banks. They said, `On further reflection, we see some merit to your comments.' They agreed to expand their maps to include the South Bronx. They agreed to open a branch, to lend an additional $50 million over three years. Five million in upper Manhattan. And they did what they said they would. We filed on a total of seven banks. Six have settled so far for a total increased lending commitment of $88 million, two new branches, two loan production offices and at least six freestanding ATMs. One branch opens next week. The Bank of New York agreed to make $4 million in small business loans, half to businesses with annual sales of less than $250,000 a year.


"We don't just get the banks to agree to do things. We set up compliance meetings. They meet with us every quarter to report on their lending. We usually go in groups of four or five, but if the bank will meet with us in the evening, a lot of people show up.


"The seventh bank is Chase Manhattan. We are engaged in a long term slugfest with them. The Chase includes the Bronx in their map, but they don't lend here. They are one of the largest lenders in the country. We are speaking to groups nationwide -- for instance, digging into all of the Fair Housing Act cases against them in California. Their main business is jumbo mortgage lending -- mortgages $350,000 and up. They are one of the biggest lenders in Los Angeles County -- Redondo Beach -- and in places like Palm Beach. They did $16 billion in mortgage lending in 1994, less than one percent to minorities. We think that is a problem. We think it is important to ring their corporate bell. Of five thousand home purchase loans in 1994, 99% were to affluent whites. Nothing wrong with that lending, but try to be fair. After the LA riots, Chase goes on the ReBuild LA Committee. Their lending practices contributed to the inequality that led to the riots, but now they go to the breakfasts and make speeches. We are not asking them to give away money in South Central Los Angeles, but if you are going to be a lender, try to lend fairly. They respond, `We don't want anyone to tell us how to run our business.' We no longer have any lawyers, but Chase got an approval on something that we had challenged so we are seeking legal representation to sue them.


"Banks are saying that this is chaotic, almost like extortion. They say, `It is outrageous that a big bank, trying to do big business, would get slowed down by some troublemakers.' We say that the lower income community should not always be on the defensive. Meanwhile Congress is thinking of repealing the Community Re-Investment Act.


"We found that the approach of talking and waiting didn't work, whether we were dealing with the City or the banks. They only take you seriously if you force them to. If you go in on bended knee you get nothing. If you file a one page comment saying you don't like them, nothing happens. But if you document the facts and they are true, the regulators get embarrassed. They are supposed to watch these banks. The question becomes, `How did this happen?'


"One regulatory agency we work with is the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department. There are some committed people there. They know that the real trends are set by the large banks. They work hard, but their hands are often tied. They have brought some great cases against smaller banks. These have set precedents that the larger banks pay attention to, but with the current Congress, they are hard-pressed to bring a Fair Lending case against a bank the size of Chase Manhattan. Regulators have said to us: `Those people really litigate.' That is fine. We will do it. That is why it is great to be independent -- we can do what we think is right. I don't envy people on the inside who care about fairness. I prefer to not be in the grey zone. It is not that it is more moral on the outside, I just think it gets tricky on the inside. When something is wrong, you need to challenge it. You can't go through life on your knees...."


Matthew is married and has two daughters. I asked him how he supports his family. "I am a janitor. I get a free apartment for mopping the building, taking out the garbage. That and the money I get from Inner City Press are enough to live on. I have a car someone gave me. I have a scholarship, so that I can go to law school at night. I have one more year, then maybe the bar exam. I end up writing a lot of the bank challenges.


"It is important to take the initiative. It is important to look at the operations of these banks. Examine their records. One thing leads to another. We file a hundred pages and the Chase files four hundred." Matthew pointed to a sagging table in the corner on top of which rested several feet of documents. "They are willing and able to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees. The games are all rigged -- its not a conspiracy, but power works to help those in power. Who writes the laws? Its not the people in the South Bronx. The laws are not intended to give a voice to the people on the bottom. Still, it is a better country than most. At least there are laws and you can vote. I don't like the people who get elected, but I don't think they play with the numbers. We don't want to be too negative. I don't know what to say. It is just sort of fun.


"We have found an area where work shows results. The timing is right. The homesteading is running itself now. We still meet every Saturday and the people in the buildings help organize new buildings. I just try to co-ordinate it. That leaves time for these banking issues.


"Sometimes something is so bad that you have to sit in front of the bulldozer, but in this case we have found a way to address some long-term problems in the inner city that is not just `pissing in the wind.' In some ways it is good for the banks. Things get out of touch. One banker said to us, `We will do something, but not in that bottom part of the South Bronx. It is just a moonscape.' So we asked him when he was last there. In the seventies. It's absurd. Our comments can help banks that lose touch.


I asked Matthew how their work is funded. "Our budget is about $50,000 a year. Banks would give us data on magnetic tape, but we have no way to read it. Our photocopier isn't working, so we send everything by fax. We need some basic infrastructure. With another $20,000 we could get what we need. Instead, we just keep juggling. We had thought that the larger foundations, after seeing what we accomplished, would fund some staff, but most foundations won't go near anything controversial, no matter how much you help communities that they supposedly care about. We would prefer to avoid controversy too -- reason with the City and the banks -- but it never works. Everything is power. You cause them a problem, they listen. If that is the only way to get things done, you have to hold your nose and let 'er rip. The issue is doing what is right, regardless of where the money is. We will take on controversial issues without their money. We have found a few small, progressive foundations. Subscribers to the newspaper have also helped support our work in the past." (At least temporarily, the paper is no longer being published in order that time can be devoted to other work).


"For me, this work is a release for some `do the right thing' energies. Investigating banks satisfies my urge to be curious. I like to see things that are wrong taken on. We are all called to do the right thing. It is important to have something in your life that is right. Something that is an integral part of your life.


"Some people are discouraged by the number of things that need to be done. Some people think, `I see a problem. I am busy. What can I do to turn the problem around tomorrow?' You can't accomplish anything tomorrow, so they don't do anything. That is bullshit. Find something of concern and start. From that time forward, everything you learn will help. As you learn more, you see how you can do more. And don't shirk from a good fight, if what you are working for is right.


"Spiritual power is unlimited. Somehow that power is related to knowing you are doing the right thing. You don't develop the power on your own. It is in the air. I don't want to pontificate on it, but I believe there is a wellspring. I don't belong to any particular religion. There is some force for good out there, but I have also known good people that were killed for no apparent reason. Still, there is power behind rightness.


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